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Following Jesus?

I had a dream last night where I saw Jesus walking down a dusty dirt road. In his right hand he had a shepherd’s staff. On His right I saw church buildings. As Jesus passed by I saw people streaming out of them and get behind Jesus and follow Him. Jesus, in my dream, never spoke a word; people just followed. As the people of a church building would all leave to follow Jesus, the builing that they left would collapse. I believe that the buildings were representative of beliefs, denominations, and various faiths. The reason for the building’s collapse is that as the people in my dream left their respective church buildings there was now nothing holding the, “building”, together hence it collapsed.

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  1. That makes perfect sense Tony, and further, if “churches” are where it’s at so to speak, and where people go to worship the Lord Jesus, why would they have to leave the building to follow Him. And…another point, in your dream, why didn’t the Lord Jesus go into any of these “church” buildings?

    Then too, it would seem that He didn’t have to speak to the people verbally, but was calling them OUT of organized denominational churches by His Spirit. Those who have ears to hear, heard that call. Amen and amen…!

  2. Hi Tony, is there any testimony of yours of why you left the church? It is quite a battle between what the Holy Spirit shows personally and what the church is doing. I would say, even if the Holy Spirit led me to my church at the beginning, later on my fire for the Lord has been so much quenched by church people and so called church goers that it left me half sleeping every Sunday, which is such a shame but if not a church where should the Christians on fire go? Most Christians believe only part of the bible, and they reject the power of God, the real deal, the new testament church. The Lord spoke to me about it on a day before one of the elders spoke exactly about this problem, why do not we have new testament church. I was so much hoping things will change, but of course nothing has changed, it is still the same, preaching the gospel and preaching the gospel and preaching the gospel, for ever the same while people are dying in houses, alone, tormented mentally and physically, depressed and in despair. I sometimes wonder if the Lord is going to ask them, the pastors and elders one day – “Why have you denied my power and did not obey my commandments to cast out demons and heal the sick?” I am just getting used to it, to lukewarm, easy church. To come and sing songs, listen to a preacher, eat cakes and go home. No other way to act if you are all alone with the deeper things of God and when you try to tell them what the Lord has done for you, they will ask you if you are mentally ill. It is such a shocker for a new born baby Christian who believes every word of God.

  3. sandra on said:

    “I believe that the buildings were representative of beliefs, denominations, and various faiths”
    Yes beliefs too.
    We can’not ‘blame’ all on the churches (not that I’m saying that someone is blaming).
    People get stuck in their own believe of believing too. Cause they don’t want to pay a price: the price is setting time apart, exploring ones own belief (‘do I have the right belief, actually’?), letting things go, making choices and priorities, being determent to find out everything you can, about God, keep on standing and running this hard race.
    That is the other side.
    When on one hand things are not teached, and on the other people are not teachable……..it is a double sad thing. In this way both church and brothers/sisters can be hurting factors in a believer’s life.
    Are churchgoers victims?
    I still don’t think so.

    • The Catholic Church has a saying, “give me a child until age 6 and I’ll have his/her mind for life “. Tradition is hard to break. One needs Jesus to have their mindset changed.

      • sandra on said:

        Yes, sad thing
        But when there is eager to know (the real) God , this must get right, step by step ! Willingness to invest!
        What did you do?
        You got a dream and listened. You set time apart. You could have stayed where you were.

        We are not willingless victims, in fact.

      • This is why we need Jesus. Only He can break the chains of religious bondage.

      • sandra on said:

        Yes, we need Him badly! He did that for us, but we must see, explore and seek inHis word what it is exactly what He did!! That is so important! WHAT did He do,there at the Cross. Knowing that makes your faith. I need Him badly everyday. I don’t know if it is the endtimes weare living in, but the drowningfactor is high these days.

  4. sandra on said:

    Sorry, forgot.
    There is a difference between new-believers and believers. For new-believers it is very sad. But for people that read their bible for years??

  5. sandra on said:

    Sorry for doing this in 3 etappes.
    Many are more interested in the dark things and spend time in these complotheories than that they spend time with God. And when you make a remark they say: but I need to unmask it!! Then I say: you? What about Jesus?

    Fil. 4:8
    Col. 3:1, 2

    Takes some more effort maybe? Yes, it is renewal of the mind.

  6. sandra on said:

    It seems like believers are more caught up and wrapped in, then unbelievers. Especially when they pretent to be wise, such a trap.

    • If you read what Rahab said to Joshua after the fall of Jericho this would give credence to what you’re saying.

      • sandra on said:

        Don’t know what she said? Only that Joshua spared her.

      • Jos 2:8 — Jos 2:11
        Before the two men had lain down, Rahab came up to them on the roof,
        And she said to the men, I know that the Lord has given you the land and that your terror is fallen upon us and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you.
        For we have heard how the Lord dried up the water of the Red Sea for you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to the two kings of the Amorites who were on the [east] side of the Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom you utterly destroyed.
        When we heard it, our hearts melted, neither did spirit or courage remain any more in any man because of you, for the Lord your God, He is God in heaven above and on earth beneath.

  7. sandra on said:

    I just read it, but I can not link it!

  8. sandra on said:

    Link it, like: connecting the dots. Lol.

  9. sandra on said:

    Aaaah, yes … ! Thank you! Finally: bingo!
    Yes, that can happen.

  10. Amen … This “leaving and cleaving” process is happening now God is drawing His people unto Himself not an organization, teacher or man but to Himself. It is in Him that we live and function and flow in harmony with one another. A powerful day is dawning as God is freeing His people from the pride of position in order to walk in the humility of function where we can truly be free from seeking recognition for ourselves and to seek His Glory for our brothers and sisters.

    Good is the Word of the vision!

    Blessings
    Brian

  11. Your understanding of the dream is flawed. Please provide chapter and verse where we’re commanded to go to a building called church on a Sunday morning, stare at the back of people’s heads, listen to some carefully selected worship songs and finally, listen to a lecture. Is this your idea of assembling yourselves together?

    How about what the word of God has to say about the assembling of ourselves together.

    1 Corinthians 14:26
    Order in Church Meetings
    How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
    The assembling that the word speaks of has all participating

    • Define church

      • We are the building. When we gather we from the living stones that make up the building with Jesus being the chief cornerstone.You ignored what I quoted from 1 Corinthians.
        1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.

        The dream had to do with leaving denominational thinking and ideologies. The buildings in my dream were fixed and unmovable which pretty much describes their collapse being that denominations and ideologies that do not conform to the word of God cannot stand.

        We are God’s building
        1Co 3:9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building.
        The dream was in no way shape or form about forsaking fellowship hence my statement that your interpretation and the accusation that the dream was demonic are flawed. Denominations, Doctrines, and Church buildings cannot save anyone, only Jesus can

      • How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
        That is the Biblical description given by the Apostle Paul of Coming together that I have quoted 3 times. I will stand on that.

      • I have done so 3 times. You are avoiding the answer given

      • I have done exegesis you are doing eisegesis. Again, I ask please define church.

      • It is sad when you are unable to defend your position that you have to resort to character assassination in order to make yourself look good.

        Again, you have avoided my question. Define church

      • Look at the definition of the word church and the definition of ekklesia. The word church is a mistranslation of the word ekklesia.

        church /tʃəːtʃ /
        ▸ noun a building used for public Christian worship:
        the church was largely rebuilt at the end of the 15th century
        some people go to church every Sunday
        after church we went to a restaurant
        [in names] St Luke’s Church.
        ▪ (Church) a particular Christian organization with its own clergy, buildings, and distinctive doctrines:
        the Church of England.
        ▪ (the Church) the hierarchy of clergy within a particular Christian Church:
        Isobel would enter the Church as a deacon.
        ▪ [mass noun] institutionalized religion as a political or social force:
        the separation of church and state.
        ▸ verb [with obj.] archaic take (a woman who has recently given birth) to church for a service of thanksgiving.
        – ORIGIN Old English cir(i)ce, cyr(i)ce, related to Dutch kerk and German Kirche, based on medieval Greek kurikon, from Greek kuriakon (dōma) ‘Lord’s (house)’, from kurios ‘master or lord’. Compare with kirk.g1577.

        ἐκκλησία ekklēsia; from a compound of 1537 and a derivative of 25gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assemblyan assembly of the people convened at the public place of the council for the purpose of deliberating64; a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): in— assembly,

      • It does at that. Are you leaving out Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist and teacher on purpose or did you forget to include it in your quote? It states that the church is built on the foundation of Apostles & Prophets

      • The dream was to leave religion that is organized by man. What the Lord showed my wife and I that He is going to do will not fit in with organized religion.

      • Again, it is your interpretation of the dream that is flawed. Nowhere in the dream did I say to stop meeting together. That is something you have concluded all by yourself. The dream is from the Lord and I am at peace with it. You have yet to make me see otherwise.

      • That is true

      • The definition of assembling together as it pertains to Hebrews 10:25 is as follows:

        1997. ἐπισυναγωγή episunagōgḗ; gen. episunagōgḗs, fem. noun from episunágō (G1996), to gather together. The act of gathering or assembling together (2 Thess. 2:1 [cf. 1 Thess 4:17]). Heb. 10:25 does not merely denote the assembling for corporate worship as a solitary or occasional act, but as customary conduct. The prep. epí (G1909), to, must refer to Christ Himself as the one to whom this assembly was attached. Thus it would have the meaning of not betraying one’s attachment to Jesus Christ and other believers, not avoiding one’s own personal responsibility as part of the body of Christ.

        People can assemble for many reasons, however, if Christ is not central purpose and reason for the gathering then it cannot be considered ekklesia . It is just that, a gathering and nothing more. Ekklesia is not a destination that a believer heads to but a way of life. You describe it as an obligation to a building.
        “One hundred religious persons knit into a unity by careful organization do not constitute a church any more than eleven dead men make a football team.”

        ― A.W. Tozer

    • I do measure my dreams against scripture and so far you have not proven otherwise.

  12. I left the church, as in organized religion not meeting together as you have accused me falsely of saying

    • Anyone can misunderstand anything. People misunderstand/misinterpret the word of God either ignorantly or on purpose. My wife and I meet with other believers as our schedules permit.
      As for providing further clarification, to which post are you referring?

    • isn’t that what Traditional means?

      • Anything organized by man that is not giving glory to God. Wouldn’t you agree?

      • Unfortunately those are very few in number. I would suggest that you read a book called Eusebius Life of Constantine by Averil Cameron and Stuart G Hall. You will understand how House churches were outlawed and how the clergy, as we know it today, came into being. If ekklesia is truly happening then Jesus is being lifted up and drawing men and women to Himself. Miracles will be a commonplace occurrence and not something that happens once in a blue moon. As to your question I would say that I have a problem when a person is told where to worship as opposed to what Jesus told the woman at the well when He told her that true worhippers worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth. Worship is not something one does on Sunday morning but something does every day of the week. If one has no individual worship life then they won’t be able to appreciate corporate worship to the fullest either. There is a false belief among Christians that numbers equal anointing. Just because a church as 10,000 members does not mean it anointed. I would rather gather with 10 committed believers than 10,000 where the worship team and the pastor are being exalted and Jesus is hardly talked about. Jesus must be the reason and central focus of the gathering. Do you agree?

      • Then we will have to agree to disagree as you said

      • You have viewed my statement of beliefs before. That’s where you would find it

      • Oh ok…I probably forgot.Its been awhile I guess. Anyways have a good day.

      • Are you not seeing my statement of beliefs on my blog?

  13. sandra on said:

    Hebr. 3:6: WE ARE His house.
    ————————————–

    Defining church as ‘it has to be like this~!” is limiting and a doctrine.

    Many churches claim beíng a house of God, but their means, ways, behaviour and fruit show that they are not God’s house. Logically, ’cause The bible says that God builds the house.

    The Sacrifise of Jesus at the Cross ended the human priesthood: He ripped the veil of the temple. Math 27:50-52

    Hebr 10:19-22 says that we have directly access through the Blood of Jesus. He opened for us an new living way, the way of His Body. We can approach without hodgepodge.

    – The meaning of the sacrifise of Jesus is that people can come again to God themselves, not through priesthood, grates and positions.

    Ef 2:20-22:
    In Jesus christians are built as a temple of God.

    The Bible does not speak about churches of stone houses (buildings) but >>>>about a temple of flesh and blood who form God’s house in Jesus. !! Therefore also, Christians are led by the spirit of God Who lives inside them!! (other than earthly organisations and rangs, grates, positions)

    Joh 13:14: no christian is above the other. (foot washing, Jesus is a perfect example of this)

    So:
    – God ended rangs, positions and grates
    – Made people as living temples, as His house
    – Made clear by the footwashing that christians are all equal, nobody is above the other.

    Conclusion:

    One can ‘argue’ if —–churches— go against God and Jesus and the ministry that is expected of all Christians, with the goal of bearing fruits of the Spirit.

    The Bible says also that the accuser of brethren and sisters is history, rev 12 ! And we are not Bileam’s Numeri 22-24 (accusers of b&s as well)

    The wonderful thing is, that we are not in (human) court. And that we do’nt have to defend our faith and defend what is written (!)

    We can only wonder…..what is the source of that (when people want to argue about what is written) Well, wonder? It is written what the source is.

    • The priesthood was not ended per se because Jesus has made us a kingdom of priests.

      Rev 1:6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
      Church, for the most part, has become a spectator rather than equal participant meeting . That I do not believe is the model that Jesus left us with.
      I agree that God ended positions. In the New testament we had functions, i.e., Apostle, Prophet, Pastor, Teacher, Evangelist. Today they are positions with a hierarchy. In the New testament they were verbs and today they are nouns

    • Very Powerful point you make Sandra.

  14. sandra on said:

    But that is what I mean, that change (about the priesthood).

  15. sandra on said:

    Well, I just meant what I wrote.

    I mean that we don’t need people ‘above’ us and rituals anymore. The veil is ripped, the offer is made. The threshold is low. So if that is the idea behind going to church, to have a better entrance or ticket to heaven, or that it makes one a christian-plus, or that the bible summons us to do so, that is not correct.

    Church does not redeem us, Jesus does. We are His house. Not isolated houses, christians need eachother to encourage, pray, sing etc, like Paulus says.

    But if people like to go to church (in a building), fine, I like it for them. And it is a good opportunity to add something, if we cannot ‘consume’.

  16. I was just thinking today! When is Jesus coming back? Soon and very soon! The things happening in today’s age and world we’re falling apart. Thousands of terrorists, shootings, world disasters. Lord Jesus Come and Save us Soon!

  17. Ephesians 4:16 Through whom all the body, being rightly formed and united together, by the full working of every part, is increased to the building up of itself in love.

    If each member of the one Body is not functioning and contributing to the whole the Body is limited in its ability to the building up of itself in love. The Church is a living body not an organization and the whole purpose of ministry is to bring others into the call God has put on them so that the body is living and dependent upon Him in the life of one another.

  18. And it is in this functioning that the scripture is fulfilled “The Bride hath made herself ready…”

  19. Appreciate the heart and your ministration

    Blessings
    Brian

  20. hollymoon2016 on said:

    Good word! We are the church called to go into the world! Jesus made the beautiful bride! Now if we could all come out from behind our walls and unite at one…what a difference we could make for the kingdom! God bless!

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