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Ekklesia vs Church



In the dream I saw a grossly large building called church. The church doors were massive so that I would guess that one would nee help in opening them thus limiting accessibility  and this, I believe from the dream, was on purpose. The church itself was massive. From the back of the building called church the person on the platform was just a spec. However, even from the back I could see that he was dressed in robes. I will get to the significance of that later in the post. When entering this building called church one would normally expect to see pews or chairs. That was not the case in my dream. What I saw were chairs like the kind a judge would sit in. There were  people seated in the chairs each having a judge’s gavel in their hands. Instead of the chairs facing forward towards the platform they were facing the isle. So picture, if you will, walking into this building called church, not finding a seat because all the seats were taken by those sitting in judgement of any who would enter the building called church. So in order to get to the person dressed in the robes, another obstacle of intimidation in coming to the Lord, you had to walk down an incredibly long isle being judged by every step you took.

I had a vision similar to the dream above 4 years ago that I will post below.

This is Church?

The Lord showed me a vision a little while ago and in this vision I was standing in front of a church with glass doors so I was able to see inside the church. Looking inside, I could see the people were actively engaged in worship, I could see hands lifted praising God. However, when I looked at the doors themselves I noticed that they had no handles on them. To be “let in” to this church, you had to be let in from the inside. And, if you left, i.e., backslid or just decided to go elsewhere and then wanted to return, once again, you had to be let in by someone on the inside. I used to belong to a church like this where you had to be let in by the people on the inside, i.e., the clique. And, if you left, the pastor would instruct the congregation to not associate with you any longer. When I use the words, “let in”, I am speaking of being part of the fellowship, as I mentioned above, which are sometimes comprised of cliques. What I feel the Lord dropping in my spirit as I post this to my blog , is the church of Laodicea mentioned in the book of Revelation.We have all heard the famous passage of scripture, “‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me”.  Every picture I have seen depicting this passage of scripture shows a door with Jesus standing outside knocking, however, the door upon which He is knocking has no handle, the one(s) standing on the other side of the door have to open the door and let Him in. Remember, Jesus was addressing the church of Laodicea in this passage,
(Rev 3:20 NASB)

Now contrast the above with Ekklesia as described below.

How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. Note that everyone brings something to the meeting and not just a single person.  1 Cor. 14:26

The ekklesia is called a body for a reason. Each body part has a function which the other body parts depend on. We are not all an ear or a leg or a hand. But we are all to participate when we come together to re-assemble the body of Christ.

The traditional church does not let the body of Christ be just that, the body of Christ. Instead,  the body is reduced to pew sitters,i.e.spectators. Instead of being equipped, the body is crippled. No relationships are formed because no one has to work with anyone else to re-assemble the body of Christ the pastor does it all.

I had a vision a short while ago where I saw the ekklesia function as the Lord intended it to.

The Lord showed me a vision 02/26/2013 and in this vision I saw people gathered around an oval table. The table was low to the ground so that you had to sit on the floor. The people I saw sitting there around the table each had a piece of a puzzle. As they all worked together, the image  on the puzzle began to take shape and when they were finished, the picture was of Jesus Christ. He was the center of the meeting. Each one had to do his part in finishing the puzzle and it was not left to one person to do the work of the group. This is how real relationships are built and what church done Jesus’ way should foster.

This is church.

The only reason for the gathering of believers was to re-assemble the body of Christ with each part, I.e., the foot, the hand, the eye, etc. doing its part so that the church, Christ’s body on earth may be edified and that Christ may be glorified.

They did not gather because of a charismatic leader, I.e., a pastor.

They didn’t gather because of church programs.

They didn’t gather because of the worship team.

A far as being judged in traditional church, I would ask that one look at the difference between what has come to be known as church and biblical ekklesia.

But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an uninformed person comes in, he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all. And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed; and so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you. 1 Cor 14:24-25.


Note the difference between human judgement and God’s. We humans like to judge because it gives us a sense of superiority, however, when the Lord reveals the secrets of an individual’s heart it is not for the purpose of humiliating the individual but rather
healing and restoring the individual.

Here’s a link describing ekklesia.

Here’s a link describing church.




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16 thoughts on “Ekklesia vs Church

  1. Reblogged this on A Mom Looking Up and commented:
    QUOTE: “The ekklesia is called a body for a reason. Each body part has a function which the other body parts depend on. We are not all an ear or a leg or a hand. But we are all to participate when we come together to re-assemble the body of Christ.

    The traditional church does not let the body of Christ be just that, the body of Christ. Instead, the body is reduced to pew sitters,i.e.spectators. Instead of being equipped, the body is crippled. No relationships are formed because no one has to work with anyone else to re-assemble the body of Christ the pastor does it all.”

    Is it fair to assume that many, if not MOST, believers have no clue as to their own gift(s) of the Spirit, let alone anyone else’s? How then can we function properly if the foot doesn’t know it is a foot or the hand recognize the mouth?

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  3. Advanced Research Technology on said:

    I was called out (Ekklesia) of the church by the Holy Spirit in a series of self-fulfilling dreams after graduating from college. I ignorantly went back time and time again thinking that it was the body of Christ. Every time I was sent reeling by circumstances shaking both the church and my family. More dreams ensued backing up the former revelation.
    My wife and I finally left for good after a series of supernatural hits on our lives by a former pastor, which to control his congregations, had resorted to a form of witchcraft that was supported by the organization as a whole. We found out later that his is very common throughout the whole of Christianity today.
    Today the Spirit of Christ has called me to a very different work: gathering the lost body of Christ from wherever they may be located or dislocated. Surprisingly, I’m am not only sent to look within Christianity, but all faiths or non-faiths combined. The gathering is like a giant puzzle. Each gifting and knowledge added to another until the whole, Christ, is completed.
    Some are unwilling to accept that some of the Body is not to be found within Bible believing, Christ centered, people. There is a Spirit of Christ that works through Christ anointed people in all walks of life. These are found by the Spirit in which they are activated. The gospel has gone throughout the world, not by men, but by Christ himself. Now we are just gathering the pieces.
    Thanks for sharing. What a blessing!
    Blessings to you today as well!

    • We were called out of traditional church as well. It’s been a lonely road at times but I would not go back

      • Advanced Research Technology on said:

        It is lonely at times, but much more peaceful, and might I add… powerful.

    • I am so very “unchurched” thank you Jesus. Been that way for many years. Can’t and won’t go back to either the “church” or the world. So be it. But, yes, it can get lonely at times. I would love to be part of a local home assembly, but, if that doesn’t happen. I will still be OK because the Lord is my husband, shepherd, provider and fellowship.
      Love in Jesus to you all

  4. voiceinthewilderess on said:

    We Feel today to reach the Lord (in church i.e. The robe of Righteousness) we have to walk down this long Isle where we are being judged by other believes by their Rod of correction, they look at the speck in our eye without removing the LOG from their-own. We have to come to the realization to reach Jesus is not in a building of 4 walls it’s surrendering to Jesus and giving Him your heart. The keys to the kingdom of heaven are within us. No man can open or shut this door for us. We make the choice if we go in or if we are shut out. Free will. Theses Church buildings runnby pastors, want to be in total control of the Church, and dictate who is in and who is out. Such as Prophets are never received IN these Church buildings. God’s church has no WALLS period, He lives within us we makeup His body of believers.

  5. voiceinthewilderess on said:

    Thank you for sharing your vision it’s on the Mark!

  6. sandra on said:

    To be honest, since we’ve left church, I haven’t missed it at all. On the contrary: it is getting better and better.

    Church does not save and redeem us. It is not church that makes a better person out of us.

    In some cases: a worse person.

    Sorry, hope I don’t offend anyone.

  7. sandra on said:

    No, the way it is now, it is only the outside.
    It is normal that people fail, (only He can not fail) what happens a lot in churches too, so that can’t be the problem, the Lord knows we fail easily.
    But is it not an interesting question why these failures lead to rotten fruit?
    Maybe this happens when a church is not build on the Rock. If the intentions would be so, would failure lead to rotten fruit then? I can’t imagine, I don’t think so, the Lord would show His mercy time after time.
    Now it seems like ‘the judgement starts with His house’. It is noticable.
    These are things that fascinate.

  8. sandra on said:

    O yes, I need to add:
    failure can happen, but do people acknowledge these things and do they humiliate themselves for the Lord.
    It is not failure at itself that brings bad things, but the lack of asking forgiveness/acknowledgement/repentness/bringing it to the Lord. Unfortunately we’ve seen this unfortunate phenomenon many times. Don’t know exactly how and why but I have to think about 2 chron 33: ‘So the Lord brought against them the army commanders of the king of Assyria, who took Manasseh prisoner, put a hook in his nose, bound him with bronze shackles and took him to Babylon. 12 In his distress he sought the favor of the Lord his God and humbled himself greatly before the God of his ancestors. ‘

    Seeking the favor of the Lord in distress and humbling before the Lord.

    Leaders may not overstep that when things are/go wrong and people are hurt.

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